Yeshua is telling his followers to follow the Torah. Spot on!! Keep reading and sharing. Iām a Christian and I agree. Christianity has been hellenized. The reformation continues! I love Jeshua and the Torah.š
Butā¦butā¦if Jesus was just this mild rabbi, a good Jewish boy, why was he hounded to death in the vilest way possible and why is he still reviled in the most revolting terms by those who believe the Talmud portrayal of him? We simply canāt blame the Romans - they feared insurrection, not theological innovation.
What an inspiration you are! You've been willing to think for yourself in the topic of Covid, thereby proving thousands of "scientists" to be either mistaken....or corrupt.
In the realm of Judahism and Christianity, you are doing the research yourself as well!
I think that you will learn as you dig more that Paul did not do away with the Law or the Torah. 2nd Peter 3:14-17 makes it clear that Paul was hard to understand but didn't mean the Law was done away with.
Thank you for doing this Naomi. I was raised as Catholic and was never encouraged to read the Bible. I finally started reading it just the last few years so I would probably call myself a baby Christian, there is much to learn. I'm curious when you say you feel a connection to Jesus but not Paul, what are your sources for Jesus and what are your sources for Paul? I watched this video live last Sunday before going to our church. Interestingly enough, our pastor brought up 1 Corinthians 9:20-22.
"20 And to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, not being myself under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
21 to them that are without law, as without law, not being without law to God, but under law to Christ, that I might gain them that are without law.
22 To the weak I became weak, that I might gain the weak: I am become all things to all men, that I may by all means save some."
The reason given by Bible scholars re the Jewish followers of Jesus and the Law is that Rome burned down the Temple. They were scattered. This may have applied to all the Jews of the Temple. As for the rabbi's divinity, as he said, ye are all gods. As for what his mission was, look to the Passover meal that was the Last Supper.
Jesus took bread, gave thanks, broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, āTake and eat; this is my body.ā He then took a cup, gave thanks, and offered it to them, saying, āDrink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. I tell you, I will not drink from this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in my Fatherās kingdomā.
He also instructed them, āDo this in remembrance of meā. These words are recorded in the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, and Luke, and are central to the Christian practice of Communion.
KEY WORDS: "for the forgiveness of sins"
What Paul elaborated upon in his letters was that salvation is by the UNMERITED grace of God. Christ's body and blood was the gift that keeps on giving. He did not abolish Torah, Talmud, the Law; he fullfilled it. God passed over the households with blood on the doorposts and God passes over our sins because of the blood of Christ. THAT is the power of Christianity and why it speaks to people these many centuries later. Guilt is washed away, if the sinner receives the gift of Christ's body and blood by faith in his commandment: "do this in rememberance of me."
Thank you for making this effort. Not only do you have a calming voice and the heart of a teacher, but in my experience, all the references to linguistics and translations I have heard have been through Bart D Ehrman, and I perceived him to be, in the end, discrediting the Bible. You are positive in building the word up, and I very much appreciate it.
Couple of points, Paul was not far removed temporally from Jesus. He met Peter and the other apostles in Jerusalem more than once according to other books in the New Testament. He also supernaturally appeared to Saul (who became Paul) on the famous road to Damascus and dealt with him directly (after His resurrection and ascension.)
I have wondered about Jesus as the nephew of the priest Zechariah. Mary, his mother, was cousin to Elizabeth, who was John the Baptistās mother and wife of Zechariah the priest. There is a fascinating passage that describes how John the Baptist was promised by Yahweh. I thought possibly he might have taught Jesus to read and other things, since he would have been aware of Maryās messages from the angel Gabriel.
I very much appreciate your Hebrew thoughts and reflections because I do believe the old and new testaments are one book. And, I have seen other Jewish Christians who say, thatās us not what my Bible says, referring to our translations of both! I suspect Christians have missed a lot of context and meaning because of our unfamiliarity with the thousands of years experienced by the Israelites. Itās a shame enmity rose up from the beginning, but not surprising I suppose, considering that Satan creature.
Thanks for all you do. You and yours are in my prayers.
This is so good to listen to, the comments about Yeshuah helping people to understand the Torah really hit the mark! So interesting, thank you! (I would have translated Ha-shamayim as the heavens rather than sky, but a minor point).
Interesting that you think Christians think Heaven is some far off place. Since the statements are throughout Jesus' teachings that the kingdom of heaven is within you. I never was taught it was some far off place or that one had to wait for it to come. I was taught it had come. I was also always taught that "till heaven and earth pass..." did not mean that one did not pay attention to the Torah but that Jesus came to fulfill the Torah and the prophets so it was important to know what the Torah teaches and what the prophets were saying and never forget as these were to show us that what was taught and what the prophets proved was indicating not only what Jesus demonstrated but what we are supposed to also do. So "till heaven and earth pass.." was meant to imply it never will pass away so always not one jot or tittle (in my Bible) will be changed as we are also to follow Jesus example by also fulfilling the promises given us as we follow God's guidance and instructions there. Add to it the perspective Jesus put on these... such as in the Chapter 4, most of Jesus' answers to the temptations came directly from Deuteronomy.
Yeshua is telling his followers to follow the Torah. Spot on!! Keep reading and sharing. Iām a Christian and I agree. Christianity has been hellenized. The reformation continues! I love Jeshua and the Torah.š
Butā¦butā¦if Jesus was just this mild rabbi, a good Jewish boy, why was he hounded to death in the vilest way possible and why is he still reviled in the most revolting terms by those who believe the Talmud portrayal of him? We simply canāt blame the Romans - they feared insurrection, not theological innovation.
What an inspiration you are! You've been willing to think for yourself in the topic of Covid, thereby proving thousands of "scientists" to be either mistaken....or corrupt.
In the realm of Judahism and Christianity, you are doing the research yourself as well!
I think that you will learn as you dig more that Paul did not do away with the Law or the Torah. 2nd Peter 3:14-17 makes it clear that Paul was hard to understand but didn't mean the Law was done away with.
Thank You Naomi!! Really appreciate you sharing the Geneva Bible reading with us!
Thank you for doing this Naomi. I was raised as Catholic and was never encouraged to read the Bible. I finally started reading it just the last few years so I would probably call myself a baby Christian, there is much to learn. I'm curious when you say you feel a connection to Jesus but not Paul, what are your sources for Jesus and what are your sources for Paul? I watched this video live last Sunday before going to our church. Interestingly enough, our pastor brought up 1 Corinthians 9:20-22.
"20 And to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, not being myself under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
21 to them that are without law, as without law, not being without law to God, but under law to Christ, that I might gain them that are without law.
22 To the weak I became weak, that I might gain the weak: I am become all things to all men, that I may by all means save some."
The reason given by Bible scholars re the Jewish followers of Jesus and the Law is that Rome burned down the Temple. They were scattered. This may have applied to all the Jews of the Temple. As for the rabbi's divinity, as he said, ye are all gods. As for what his mission was, look to the Passover meal that was the Last Supper.
Jesus took bread, gave thanks, broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, āTake and eat; this is my body.ā He then took a cup, gave thanks, and offered it to them, saying, āDrink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. I tell you, I will not drink from this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in my Fatherās kingdomā.
He also instructed them, āDo this in remembrance of meā. These words are recorded in the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, and Luke, and are central to the Christian practice of Communion.
KEY WORDS: "for the forgiveness of sins"
What Paul elaborated upon in his letters was that salvation is by the UNMERITED grace of God. Christ's body and blood was the gift that keeps on giving. He did not abolish Torah, Talmud, the Law; he fullfilled it. God passed over the households with blood on the doorposts and God passes over our sins because of the blood of Christ. THAT is the power of Christianity and why it speaks to people these many centuries later. Guilt is washed away, if the sinner receives the gift of Christ's body and blood by faith in his commandment: "do this in rememberance of me."
Thank you for making this effort. Not only do you have a calming voice and the heart of a teacher, but in my experience, all the references to linguistics and translations I have heard have been through Bart D Ehrman, and I perceived him to be, in the end, discrediting the Bible. You are positive in building the word up, and I very much appreciate it.
Naomi reads Shaūl (Paul) as he was read by Augustine, Luther. Calvin, the churches.
Of course, he was not so. However, the churches have not only betrayed him but the great Lord and Son of God, too.
That is why he paint him as they like without any evidence but delusion.
We have no image of him but his power by which he acts on and within us.
Naomi, Shaūl (Paul) taught perfectly in line with Yeshua. In fact, Yeshua was his rabbi and adonai.
He protected the talmidim of the nations. They had not to become Jews.
Couple of points, Paul was not far removed temporally from Jesus. He met Peter and the other apostles in Jerusalem more than once according to other books in the New Testament. He also supernaturally appeared to Saul (who became Paul) on the famous road to Damascus and dealt with him directly (after His resurrection and ascension.)
I have wondered about Jesus as the nephew of the priest Zechariah. Mary, his mother, was cousin to Elizabeth, who was John the Baptistās mother and wife of Zechariah the priest. There is a fascinating passage that describes how John the Baptist was promised by Yahweh. I thought possibly he might have taught Jesus to read and other things, since he would have been aware of Maryās messages from the angel Gabriel.
I very much appreciate your Hebrew thoughts and reflections because I do believe the old and new testaments are one book. And, I have seen other Jewish Christians who say, thatās us not what my Bible says, referring to our translations of both! I suspect Christians have missed a lot of context and meaning because of our unfamiliarity with the thousands of years experienced by the Israelites. Itās a shame enmity rose up from the beginning, but not surprising I suppose, considering that Satan creature.
Thanks for all you do. You and yours are in my prayers.
This is so good to listen to, the comments about Yeshuah helping people to understand the Torah really hit the mark! So interesting, thank you! (I would have translated Ha-shamayim as the heavens rather than sky, but a minor point).
Interesting that you think Christians think Heaven is some far off place. Since the statements are throughout Jesus' teachings that the kingdom of heaven is within you. I never was taught it was some far off place or that one had to wait for it to come. I was taught it had come. I was also always taught that "till heaven and earth pass..." did not mean that one did not pay attention to the Torah but that Jesus came to fulfill the Torah and the prophets so it was important to know what the Torah teaches and what the prophets were saying and never forget as these were to show us that what was taught and what the prophets proved was indicating not only what Jesus demonstrated but what we are supposed to also do. So "till heaven and earth pass.." was meant to imply it never will pass away so always not one jot or tittle (in my Bible) will be changed as we are also to follow Jesus example by also fulfilling the promises given us as we follow God's guidance and instructions there. Add to it the perspective Jesus put on these... such as in the Chapter 4, most of Jesus' answers to the temptations came directly from Deuteronomy.